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We have long used Sharpie water-based paint pens (white paint) for writing on dark materials.  Recently, Sharpie discontinued the extra-fine size in white.  Does anyone know of a similar product?  The paint must be water-based acrylic and the tip must be finer than ~0.8mm.

I'm on my last two pens!!
Thanks

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Adam Rountrey
University of Michigan Museum of Paleontology
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Following as well. We have tried substituting with others but no luck

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Evelyn Fidler
Collections Manager
Kings Landing
Prince William NB
(506) 476-1905
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-18-2019 09:48
From: Adam Rountrey
Subject: Fine tip water-based paint pen?

We have long used Sharpie water-based paint pens (white paint) for writing on dark materials.  Recently, Sharpie discontinued the extra-fine size in white.  Does anyone know of a similar product?  The paint must be water-based acrylic and the tip must be finer than ~0.8mm.

I'm on my last two pens!!
Thanks

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Adam Rountrey
University of Michigan Museum of Paleontology
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Original Message------

Following as well. We have tried substituting with others but no luck

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Evelyn Fidler
Collections Manager
Kings Landing
Prince William NB
(506) 476-1905
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Original Message------

Following as well. We have tried substituting with others but no luck

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Evelyn Fidler
Collections Manager
Kings Landing
Prince William NB
(506) 476-1905
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Copic used to make an empty pen you could fill with your own paint. However I do not know if the tip is that fine. You can find them online and at art supply stores.

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Brad Bredehoft
CEO
Museum Study, LLC
Minneapolis MN
(612) 790-1645
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-18-2019 09:48
From: Adam Rountrey
Subject: Fine tip water-based paint pen?

We have long used Sharpie water-based paint pens (white paint) for writing on dark materials.  Recently, Sharpie discontinued the extra-fine size in white.  Does anyone know of a similar product?  The paint must be water-based acrylic and the tip must be finer than ~0.8mm.

I'm on my last two pens!!
Thanks

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Adam Rountrey
University of Michigan Museum of Paleontology
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Carr-McLean in Canada sells a liquid label in white, you place it over the B72 and write the number in black ink.​

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Evelyn Fidler
Collections Manager
Kings Landing
Prince William NB
(506) 476-1905
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-18-2019 09:48
From: Adam Rountrey
Subject: Fine tip water-based paint pen?

We have long used Sharpie water-based paint pens (white paint) for writing on dark materials.  Recently, Sharpie discontinued the extra-fine size in white.  Does anyone know of a similar product?  The paint must be water-based acrylic and the tip must be finer than ~0.8mm.

I'm on my last two pens!!
Thanks

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Adam Rountrey
University of Michigan Museum of Paleontology
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I have started using the white Sakura Gelly Roll in 0.5mm on dark surfaces, sandwiched between layers of B72 and gloss medium. You have to check it on something else to get the ink rolling, but it has been working quite well. I have not been able to find a point smaller than 05, however I do personally find this method to be less visually intrusive than adding black numbers to a layer of white acrylic.

Dawn Munger
Curator of Collections
Riley County Historical Museum
Manhattan, KS
785-565-6490

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Dawn Munger
Curator of Collections
Riley County Historical Museum
Manhattan KS
(785) 565-6490
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-18-2019 09:48
From: Adam Rountrey
Subject: Fine tip water-based paint pen?

We have long used Sharpie water-based paint pens (white paint) for writing on dark materials.  Recently, Sharpie discontinued the extra-fine size in white.  Does anyone know of a similar product?  The paint must be water-based acrylic and the tip must be finer than ~0.8mm.

I'm on my last two pens!!
Thanks

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Adam Rountrey
University of Michigan Museum of Paleontology
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Dear All, 

I think someone else mentioned writing the number on a piece of archival acid-free paper and applying that on the object between layers of B-72. We do this as well but instead of writing the number we print it on archival paper. This way there are no mistakes in reading someone's handwriting. We have some objects that were numbered in the past that are difficult to decipher. Printing takes the guess work out of it. For most objects we print at 8 pt but have printed even smaller if needed. 

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Diana Welsh
Collections Manager
Indian Museum of North America at Crazy Horse Memorial
Crazy Horse SD
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-18-2019 09:48
From: Adam Rountrey
Subject: Fine tip water-based paint pen?

We have long used Sharpie water-based paint pens (white paint) for writing on dark materials.  Recently, Sharpie discontinued the extra-fine size in white.  Does anyone know of a similar product?  The paint must be water-based acrylic and the tip must be finer than ~0.8mm.

I'm on my last two pens!!
Thanks

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Adam Rountrey
University of Michigan Museum of Paleontology
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When printing the object's number on archival paper, do make sure the ink is waterproof and fadeproof. Black laser printing is fine, but most inkjet printers use dye-based inks which are not waterproof or lightfast. For inkjet printers you need to use their archival quality inks - most printer manufacturers produce a pigment-based, permanent ink range for archival quality printing e.g. Canon's Pigma range, Kodak's Prosper range, HP's Pigment range. Only use black ink to print, do not allow the printer to use the colour inks to simulate black.
Hope this helps.
Best wishes

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Helena Jaeschke
Conservation Development Officer
Royal Albert Memorial Museum
Exeter
+44 (779) 221-3217
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-22-2019 14:10
From: Diana Welsh
Subject: Fine tip water-based paint pen?

Dear All,

I think someone else mentioned writing the number on a piece of archival acid-free paper and applying that on the object between layers of B-72. We do this as well but instead of writing the number we print it on archival paper. This way there are no mistakes in reading someone's handwriting. We have some objects that were numbered in the past that are difficult to decipher. Printing takes the guess work out of it. For most objects we print at 8 pt but have printed even smaller if needed.

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Diana Welsh
Collections Manager
Indian Museum of North America at Crazy Horse Memorial
Crazy Horse SD

Original Message:
Sent: 09-18-2019 09:48
From: Adam Rountrey
Subject: Fine tip water-based paint pen?

We have long used Sharpie water-based paint pens (white paint) for writing on dark materials.  Recently, Sharpie discontinued the extra-fine size in white.  Does anyone know of a similar product?  The paint must be water-based acrylic and the tip must be finer than ~0.8mm.

I'm on my last two pens!!
Thanks

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Adam Rountrey
University of Michigan Museum of Paleontology
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Original Message------

When printing the object's number on archival paper, do make sure the ink is waterproof and fadeproof. Black laser printing is fine, but most inkjet printers use dye-based inks which are not waterproof or lightfast. For inkjet printers you need to use their archival quality inks - most printer manufacturers produce a pigment-based, permanent ink range for archival quality printing e.g. Canon's Pigma range, Kodak's Prosper range, HP's Pigment range. Only use black ink to print, do not allow the printer to use the colour inks to simulate black.
Hope this helps.
Best wishes

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Helena Jaeschke
Conservation Development Officer
Royal Albert Memorial Museum
Exeter
+44 (779) 221-3217
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Original Message------

Helena, thanks for this information. I tried looking online for "pigment-based, permanent ink range" cartridges to use with our HP OfficeJet Pro 8610 printer and couldn't find anything that seemed to fit the description. If anyone has a link to the right product that would be a great help. And if we can't find the right kind, is simply writing the number on paper with a Pigma Pen or Sharpie (then placing it between layers of B72) also an acceptable option?

Thanks,

Sarah

Sarah Clark

Curator & Diversity Coordinator

Historic Richmond Town

(718) 351-1611 ext. 272

historicrichmondtown.org

she/her/hers

Historic Richmond Town is a not-for-profit cultural institution of the City of New York

Historic Richmond Town is a not-for-profit cultural institution of the City of New York.  • historicrichmondtown.org  • 718-351-1611 • @hrtown

I just wanted to point out that while Pigma pens are waterproof and lightfast in my experience Sharpie "permanent" markers are not lightfast. I believe permanent in this instance only means waterproof. In addition to Pigma pens, I have also used Faber-Castell Pitt pens which are India ink-based and thus water and lightfast.

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Samantha Alderson
Conservator
American Museum of Natural History
New York NY
(212) 769-5446
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-25-2019 10:16
From: Sarah Clark
Subject: Fine tip water-based paint pen?

Helena, thanks for this information. I tried looking online for "pigment-based, permanent ink range" cartridges to use with our HP OfficeJet Pro 8610 printer and couldn't find anything that seemed to fit the description. If anyone has a link to the right product that would be a great help. And if we can't find the right kind, is simply writing the number on paper with a Pigma Pen or Sharpie (then placing it between layers of B72) also an acceptable option?

Thanks,

Sarah

Sarah Clark

Curator & Diversity Coordinator

Historic Richmond Town

(718) 351-1611 ext. 272

historicrichmondtown.org

she/her/hers

Historic Richmond Town is a not-for-profit cultural institution of the City of New York

Historic Richmond Town is a not-for-profit cultural institution of the City of New York.  • historicrichmondtown.org  • 718-351-1611 • @hrtown

Original Message------

When printing the object's number on archival paper, do make sure the ink is waterproof and fadeproof. Black laser printing is fine, but most inkjet printers use dye-based inks which are not waterproof or lightfast. For inkjet printers you need to use their archival quality inks - most printer manufacturers produce a pigment-based, permanent ink range for archival quality printing e.g. Canon's Pigma range, Kodak's Prosper range, HP's Pigment range. Only use black ink to print, do not allow the printer to use the colour inks to simulate black.
Hope this helps.
Best wishes

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Helena Jaeschke
Conservation Development Officer
Royal Albert Memorial Museum
Exeter
+44 (779) 221-3217
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Original Message------

I just wanted to point out that while Pigma pens are waterproof and lightfast in my experience Sharpie "permanent" markers are not lightfast. I believe permanent in this instance only means waterproof. In addition to Pigma pens, I have also used Faber-Castell Pitt pens which are India ink-based and thus water and lightfast.

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Samantha Alderson
Conservator
American Museum of Natural History
New York NY
(212) 769-5446
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Original Message------

Thanks! Anecdotally, we've had good experience with Tyvek tags that were labeled with black Sharpies and placed on farm implements. They were still readable decades later even after exposure to harsh climates. (Color Sharpie markings were not.) Of course specifications can change over time and we can't be too careful, so it's good to know that Pigmas and Pitt pens are more recommended now. I suppose no matter what marking method is used, inventory spot checks are a good idea to make sure numbers remain legible.

Thanks again,

Sarah

Sarah Clark

Curator & Diversity Coordinator

Historic Richmond Town

(718) 351-1611 ext. 272

historicrichmondtown.org

she/her/hers

Historic Richmond Town is a not-for-profit cultural institution of the City of New York

Historic Richmond Town is a not-for-profit cultural institution of the City of New York.  • historicrichmondtown.org  • 718-351-1611 • @hrtown

Original Message------

Hi all,

Just to bring this back around to the original post, which was about fine tip, white, water-based acrylic paint pens (not standard Sharpie markers), has anyone tried these Miaosun pens being sold on Amazon?:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VJ2YVSQ/ref=sspa_dk_detail_3?psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExSlVUTVFEWklHT0RaJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNTEwNDQ2M1BUWjhWWDlIWEYyWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjU2Nzg2MlY1UUtNOEdFMldLTCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2RldGFpbDImYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

Thanks.

-Adam